Chuck B
MoveOn.org Virtual March for Health Care Reform!
www.moveon.org
I just signed up for the 2/24 Virtual March for Real Health Care Reform. Will you join me? Go to http://www.moveon.org/r?r=86481 and tell Congress it is time to stop stalling and get real reform done.
Tue at 2:24pm · Comment · Like · Share
John S
[Unlike]
Tue at 3:39pm ·
Chuck B
Really John? I took you as a Matthew 25:31-46 type guy.
Tue at 10:17pm
John S
Without question, Chuck... but that passage should apply to ourselves and the Church as a whole... not an inefficient bureaucratic government... "Enter into my Kingdom, you who voted for government-run health-care" doesn't have the same ring, yeah? ;)
Yesterday at 10:56am ·
John S
(plus I have a natural distrust for anything from MoveOn.org)
Yesterday at 10:57am ·
Chuck B
So you're against a plan to "look after the sick" due to party lines? Weird.
Yesterday at 11:18am
John S
I'm against a plan to waste money on a national scale with little (if anything) to show for it. Government-run anything outside it's ascribed duties is just a bad idea no matter what the party. As I said prior, looking after the sick is a personal responsibility.
Yesterday at 11:43am ·
Chuck B
You personal efforts are ineffective. The Church's efforts are also ineffective. Otherwise, we wouldn't have so many in need.
Provide an equitable alternative solution for Matthew 25 compliance.
Yesterday at 11:54am
John S
Personal efforts hampered by increasing taxation for increasingly invasive and unnecessary government programs. Church hampered by fictional separation "between church and state."
Open market for medical insurance across state lines at a minimum. Reform frivolous medical lawsuits. Release health industry from CYA standards of care. Allow faith-based organizations a greater role in social assistance.
Yesterday at 12:49pm ·
Chuck B
I disagree that the plan is invasive and unnecessary. The government is obligated to "promote the general Welfare" according to the Constitution. If anything, the plan is not far reaching enough.
Your party line suggestions still do not ensure adequate coverage for the poor and the sick. It fails as an equitable alternative solution for Matthew 25 compliance.
Yesterday at 1:29pm
John S
The key word there is "promote." I think you take a differing interpretation of that statement than I. My suggestions promote, they do not undertake. The government assuming the responsibilities of 16% of the U.S. economy isn't invasive? Not far reaching enough??
I don't have a "party line," I'm fiscally and socially conservative, yes, but I don't hold any party as without flaw. So, IMO, these suggestions would be a start in the right direction. It's not "free" health-care, but nothing in life (especially from the government) is "free." And I've seen the Canadian health system, it's a shambles.
Also, my friend, how is it you are you to hold me in "compliance" with my faith and beliefs? Shall I hold you and others to the same standards as myself? Wouldn't that be considered invasive?
Yesterday at 2:09pm ·
John S
BTW, Mat 25 says "I was sick and you VISITED ME" not "I was sick and you PAID MY HOSPITAL BILL" :)
Yesterday at 4:56pm ·
Chuck B
Who are you trying to kid that you don't tow the party line? I could have lifted all of your suggestions straight from the GOP site. :-)
Your 'promotion', again, is inadequate and doesn't even address an inclusion for all the poor. At it's best, its a minimalist band aid. Its small cost cutting measures for those that already have health insurance.
Mat 25:36 NIV - "...I was sick and you looked after me..."
http://www.mppres.org/bible/Matthew/Matt25.htm
BTW buddy, you're not allowed to play the injured card. Not after your 'invasive' [unlike] at the very beginning of my post. ;-)
11 hours ago
John S
I'm not injured, I just found it curious you were picking one passage from the NT and then judge me by it. If you didn't like my comment, you could have easily censored me by deleting it. I'm glad you didn't so we could have this debate.
My suggestions come from personal experience, not some party website. You may recall my father is an MD, and I've seen first hand the effects of frivolous malpractice suits (he froze this wart and it came back, I want $500K crap) and the "jump through the medicare paperwork hoop to get your nickle" from overbearing government regulations.
What impressed me most about my father was instead of taking folks who could not (or refused to) pay to court, he would instead send letters of debt forgiveness. He's not evil trying to make millions, he's a specialized worker who wants to get paid for his job. He has since sold his practice and works for a VA hospital in Reno.
We are both right about the Mat 25:36 meaning, although the "look after" appears to be an attribute ascribed to God. The Greek word is episkeptomai (Strongs # G1980):
1) to look upon or after, to inspect, examine with the eyes
1.a) in order to see how he is, i.e. to visit, go to see one
1.a.1) the poor and afflicted, the sick
1.b) to look upon in order to help or to benefit
1.b.1) to look after, have care for, provide for: of God
1.c) to look (about) for, look out (one to choose, employ, etc.)
about a minute ago
72119a51-30c6-4d66-b7b8-98c7f6a426c4|0|.0
Tags:
Categories: Faith | Politics